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		<description>I received (by email) the following comment

RE: &quot;6. Banks have repeatedly got into trouble by lending on real estate, with the current crash only the most recent example.  Wise policy would insist that banks make mainly “self-liquidating” loans, such as for inventory or accounts receivable, and require that real estate purchasers provide hefty equity.&quot;

This hefty equity, would that not make it more difficult to purchase a house?

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You are correct, and this is one of the penalties of trying to very briefly summarize a book full of sound thinking. 

So let&#039;s make up some plausible numbers to look at the problem.  Say that in 2006 the minimum cost for a decent house (and lot) in a particular area was $200,000.  A person paying, say, 3% down would come up with $6,000, and have to pay, say, $1200/month for mortgage and taxes (we ignore maintenance and utility costs, which actual homeowners know can kill you.) Assume mortgage is fixed rate and there&#039;s no HELOC.

In an alternate universe, everything is the same except the minimum down payment is 20%.  How would this affect the cost of housing?  Fewer people can come up with $40,000 than with $6,000, so, the demand for housing is somewhat less. Lower demand means lower price, let us say $190,000. Still, the guy who has $6,000 for a downpayment cannot buy the house, she must rent.

Now, suppose our $6,000-down-payment guy loses her job, which paid $3,000/month, and can only find another paying $2,000/month. Not only that, but real estate taxes went up, so the monthly payment goes up from $1200 to $1250.  What can she do? 

In our universe she is screwn, she has to sell her house, may or may not be able to afford to rent a cheaper place, or move in with friends, or, worst case, becomes homeless. (It doesn&#039;t always take job loss, either; a busted furnace financed on a credit card could do the trick.)

In the alternate universe, her income is down, but she has a $6,000 cushion so she can pay the rent for at least a few months.  She has options:  Maybe move to a cheaper apartment when the lease expires, or to another city with better job prospects.  If there is a widespread economic slowdown, her landlord might reduce the rent in order to keep a tenant. 

Of course in the alternate universe she never had the chance to build &quot;equity&quot; in the increasing dollar value of a house and lot, but she also never was exposed to the risk.  For most people who can barely afford to buy, the &quot;equity building&quot; in our universe is an illusion anyway. Something always happens. 

If your highest priority is to get everyone into an owner-occupied house, then a higher down payment requirement is not helpful.  But if your priority is a stable and prosperous economy, where everyone willing and able to work can afford a decent place to live, I think it is good policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received (by email) the following comment</p>
<p>RE: &#8220;6. Banks have repeatedly got into trouble by lending on real estate, with the current crash only the most recent example.  Wise policy would insist that banks make mainly “self-liquidating” loans, such as for inventory or accounts receivable, and require that real estate purchasers provide hefty equity.&#8221;</p>
<p>This hefty equity, would that not make it more difficult to purchase a house?</p>
<p>my response:</p>
<p>You are correct, and this is one of the penalties of trying to very briefly summarize a book full of sound thinking. </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s make up some plausible numbers to look at the problem.  Say that in 2006 the minimum cost for a decent house (and lot) in a particular area was $200,000.  A person paying, say, 3% down would come up with $6,000, and have to pay, say, $1200/month for mortgage and taxes (we ignore maintenance and utility costs, which actual homeowners know can kill you.) Assume mortgage is fixed rate and there&#8217;s no HELOC.</p>
<p>In an alternate universe, everything is the same except the minimum down payment is 20%.  How would this affect the cost of housing?  Fewer people can come up with $40,000 than with $6,000, so, the demand for housing is somewhat less. Lower demand means lower price, let us say $190,000. Still, the guy who has $6,000 for a downpayment cannot buy the house, she must rent.</p>
<p>Now, suppose our $6,000-down-payment guy loses her job, which paid $3,000/month, and can only find another paying $2,000/month. Not only that, but real estate taxes went up, so the monthly payment goes up from $1200 to $1250.  What can she do? </p>
<p>In our universe she is screwn, she has to sell her house, may or may not be able to afford to rent a cheaper place, or move in with friends, or, worst case, becomes homeless. (It doesn&#8217;t always take job loss, either; a busted furnace financed on a credit card could do the trick.)</p>
<p>In the alternate universe, her income is down, but she has a $6,000 cushion so she can pay the rent for at least a few months.  She has options:  Maybe move to a cheaper apartment when the lease expires, or to another city with better job prospects.  If there is a widespread economic slowdown, her landlord might reduce the rent in order to keep a tenant. </p>
<p>Of course in the alternate universe she never had the chance to build &#8220;equity&#8221; in the increasing dollar value of a house and lot, but she also never was exposed to the risk.  For most people who can barely afford to buy, the &#8220;equity building&#8221; in our universe is an illusion anyway. Something always happens. </p>
<p>If your highest priority is to get everyone into an owner-occupied house, then a higher down payment requirement is not helpful.  But if your priority is a stable and prosperous economy, where everyone willing and able to work can afford a decent place to live, I think it is good policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I provided such a summary in my post; however I doubt that it&#039;s persuasive to persons not already familiar with the field. I hope you can do a better one, Rob; it&#039;s not easy. We know that Progress &amp; Poverty can be abstracted down to 5% of 10% of the total words, with all the key ideas intact.  Not so AtC.

Maybe, when one gives the book to the Dignitary, one should say &quot;Have your economic advisor take a look at this.&quot; 

In March I will be giving a talk at HGS on &quot;Who Stole Prosperity?&quot; Of course I haven&#039;t yet written it, but expect to rely heavily on AtC. Perhaps the result will be something useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I provided such a summary in my post; however I doubt that it&#8217;s persuasive to persons not already familiar with the field. I hope you can do a better one, Rob; it&#8217;s not easy. We know that Progress &#038; Poverty can be abstracted down to 5% of 10% of the total words, with all the key ideas intact.  Not so AtC.</p>
<p>Maybe, when one gives the book to the Dignitary, one should say &#8220;Have your economic advisor take a look at this.&#8221; </p>
<p>In March I will be giving a talk at HGS on &#8220;Who Stole Prosperity?&#8221; Of course I haven&#8217;t yet written it, but expect to rely heavily on AtC. Perhaps the result will be something useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fantastic book, but I don&#039;t think that giving copies to legislators and other politicians is &quot;marketing centric&quot; as they say. What would be fantastic, however, is if someone would prepare a 1-3 page summary of &quot;After the Crash&quot; that highlights the main ideas, gives sound bite quotes and lists other economists that have agreed with this position, including Friedman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fantastic book, but I don&#8217;t think that giving copies to legislators and other politicians is &#8220;marketing centric&#8221; as they say. What would be fantastic, however, is if someone would prepare a 1-3 page summary of &#8220;After the Crash&#8221; that highlights the main ideas, gives sound bite quotes and lists other economists that have agreed with this position, including Friedman.</p>
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